Who is the real life Roark and Galt?

Ayn Rand wrote in Atlas Shrugged that John Galt
is Prometheus.The man of the highest mind would
obviously demonstrate the highest capacity in any work that he chooses to do in his lifetime.So Prometheus is the real life Howard Roark and John Galt.But it is not true that Prometheus was torn every time he was born in the last ten thousand years of mankind's existence.Some legends from outside Europe easily show who were the rebirths of Prometheus.

No man born in Europe during the last ten thousand
years qualifies to be the rebirth of Prometheus.It was
as if the soul of the highest man existed in the
Atlas Shrugged state,refusing to enter Europe again
after what was done to him in Greece.Men as completely evolved as we are appeared for the first
time during the period of 10000 BC to 8000 BC.[Men
with the same brain size as us and the same intellectual capacity.]But untill about 3000 BC
everything is a complete blank to us.Only myths and
legends tell us what happened there.

Ayn Rand had no way of knowing who were the
rebirths of Prometheus!

10000 BC to 8000 BC - Appearance of fisrt modern
man.

Prometheus - 8000 BC - Greece

Blank - 8000 BC - India

Blank - 3000 BC - India

Aristotle - 384-322 BC - Greece

Ayn Rand - 1905-1982 AD - Russia,America

Prometheus,Blank and Blank are one and the same
individual.They are the first three births of the man of
the highest mind.Blank was the immediate rebirth of
Prometheus.

The work started by Aristotle in philosophy[He was
the first philosopher who wrote systematic philosophy]
was completed by Ayn Rand.She was the first philosopher to have reached the complete answer to the question what is life.It is stated in her work of Atlas Shrugged.

Howard Roark and John Galt [Ayn Rand's fictional
heroes] lead a passionate and violent life in order to
achieve their identities.The same can be observed in
the legends of Prometheus,Blank and Blank.


If one sees what Blank did five thousand years ago it makes the entire last five thousand years look silly and shows that only Ayn Rand is Right and everybody else is Wrong.

Fill in the BLANKS

You see, the ancient version of Ayn's The Fountainhead was enacted some ten thousand years ago.And Atlas Shrugged was carried out
exactly five thousand years ago.Wonder why the first five thousand years of mankind's existence is a complete blank to us!The mankind began with a flaw with
the immolation of Prometheus who was not very obedient to his king,Zeus.Pro was very busy with inventions and discoveries and the king did not want the life of his people to become easier with such things.So the king fed Pro to an eagle!The first Blank was penalized for his ability and virtue by his own elders and people.After his education was over,he had made a vow to his teacher that he would put an end to all evil on this earth.He killed a
few thousands of those by his own hands in this quest.The second blank
demonstrated the complete celebration of man's life.Later when he
saw that the people had been spoilt because of the wrong decisions
taken by his elders who acted as his adversaries he decided to leave nothing behind him when he left. Mankind had to literally
begin again from nothing.
Our Ayn Rand is not exactly as original as she thinks.So our perfect
Ayn Rand has committed atleast one blunder!But blame it on the world!
It is the world which should have pointed it out to Ayn that her
highest man has existed atleast three times in the first five thousand years of mankind's existence.
Certainly our highest man is not from europe,america,africa and australia or else ayn would
have known about him.He is either from antarctica or
asia.
Both the blanks are from india - the land of
spiritualism which ayn had so much trouble with.

The first Blank must be Aristotle.

Hello James,
Aristotle was a great philosopher.But there were many errors in his writing.The highest man is fully integrated,consistent and perfect-ayn's definition of the highest man.He is noble soul par excellence!I don't think that applies to Aristotle. Moreover, observe what
ayn says in Atlas Shrugged - If a skysrcaper vanishes
it would atleast leave behind some rubble.The highest
man is someone who is atleast 10 billion times more
intelligent than the man with the first or the least level of intelligence.It comes from an indirect estimation in the study of genetics.[That is the maximum number of
unique individuals possible in the entire human race
where uniqueness is defined in terms of intelligence level alone and not a million other features like hair,eye,skin colour and any other internal and external features of our body.Anyway,do you think that
the highest man is more than 10 billion times intelligent than the first man which in itself is such a
high level of intelligence?]
Ayn is more intelligent than Aristotle and the highest man is more intelligent than Ayn herself.
And there is nobody more intelligent than the highest
man himself.It seems that Aristotle had asked
Alexander to bring him a copy of the book written by
the second Blank from india.I mean Aristotle knew
about the second Blank but Ayn did not know about him!

Genetics will tell you that the number of unique individuals possible in the human race is greater than the number of the atoms in the universe which is
10 raised to 79.That is nice, isn't it? You will never
look the same again in any of your future births.
Since existence exists[It was always there and will
always be there!This is certainly not the first time that the universe has been born.]we literally have never ending
births possible to us.The Big Bang theory seems to be
right!But we will look the same again once 10 raised 79 births has taken place in the universe.But what if the universe itself has been born some 10 raised to 1000 times so far!The single birth of the universe contains some 10 raised to 17 births for the human beings!So how many times have we already looked the same?
Just too many to count!
A single man and woman would possess at least
99.9 % of all genes for all the mankind.It is the 0.1%
which gives rise to the diference in human races such
as european,african or asian and such things.
The scientists are yet to locate the genes which
influence our intelligence level which is the only
trait which determines our individuality and not our
heart,lungs,kidneys and hair,eye colour etc.The combinations possible of those genes will give the
exact number of unique individuals possible.
Meanwhile the scientists have worked out a probability that for your parents to give birth to
another child with the same genes as yours they would
have to visit the maternity ward for another million
billion times which is 10 raised to 15.
But they say that no two individuals can have the same level of intelligence.Your parents can pass you
anywhere between a million to tenth of a million
characteristics through their genes without changing your intelligence level.
Thus the maximum number of unique individuals can
be anywhere between 1 billion to ten billion.Since the
current world population is 6.4 billion we can assume that the number is anywhere between 6.4 to 10 billion.
The world population is expected to reach 9.3
billion by 2050.I am not very sure about that but it is
certain to reach the 8 billion mark.The earth has been estimated to be able to support a maximum of 13 billion people at the same time.
And since all things are finally very simple and beautiful in the universe it might as well be that the
world population will simply stabilize around the same
number as the maximum number of unique individuals
possible whatever that number be.In any case that
would be the logic behind the growth and stabilization
of human population!
It would be a wonderful state of existence where
we will all live for 100 years and then die and then be reborn immediately without any gaps in between!Any
untimely death of any individual will be taken care of
by immediate rebirth of the particular individual.
Everybody from the past,present and future living together at the same time.Sounds fantastic but is true.
Meet your ayn,highest man and woman there.
And those of you who are interested in jesus,buddha
and the prophet meet them also in the year 2050.

And those of you just interested in your own family,
relatives and friends just keep sticking to them.
Chances are that you will be born in the same place
with the same people again and again if you live your
100 years successfully with them.
Conversely, if you live very violently and do not connect with the people around you chances are that
you may get kicked out of the continent itself.

Hello, Murugan.....are you talking about reincarnation? Of Prometheus?

Sounds like a reference to the supernatural, transferring a 'spirit' from one entity (prometheus) to another existent (Aristotle or whoever)...with no established mechanism for this and contrary to our observations that our body chemistry is linked to our capability for consciousness. Or maybe you are not referring to reincarnation, but figuratively speaking of men who would be of similar high level of efficacy?

Personally, I think we should thank Tim Berners-Lee for inventing this internet apparatus, so I can send notes to folks in far off places like Mumbai.....:)....does he qualify as a prometheus, especially if he gives us a reincarnation as World wide web 2?

Steve

Hello STEVE,
Reincarnation is simply put rebirth of the
same individual - When the same genes are expressed
again the same individual is born again!There is no such thing as the esthablished mechanism to transfer spirit from one body to another!Immediate rebirths is the METAPHYSICALLY GIVEN gift of life.
And it is our body chemistry which gives us the capacity of conscioussness AND IT IS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.There can be existence without conscioussness but there can be no consciousssness without existence[Of say,
elements,combinations of those elements,body and body chemistry.]
I know these are simple home-truths
which our elders have not yet taught us.Are you waiting for that?
And who is this Howard Roark and
John Galt? Why do you think Ayn Rand spent her
entire life writing philosophy? Is Galt an alien
creature? Are you suggesting that Ayn is irrational?
And no,Tim Berners Lee does not qualify
to be the rebirth of Pro! Your internet has come.
But the world is not shaking because of that.
Any invention is just a useful extension of human
abilities.And nothing more than that!Can a computer
replace a man?It is absurd to think that man may one day create his own equal in artificial intelligence!It is
impossible!The simplest unit of the computer is an elctronic chip which can never be made as complex as the living cell which is the simplest unit of any living creature!And why take the long and complicated route when all you have to do is just switch off the lights with one of your opposite sex!And Thanks Tim,
but what else?
And there is nothing supernatural out there.
And please remember the law of IDENTITY! It states
that A is A.Roark is Roark.He EXISTS and will forever
exist! Are you suggesting that A will vanish?

And there is nothing superior to man in this universe!
Except of course REALITY itself which created man in
the first place. And we do have an explanation for IMMEDIATE REBIRTHS![It is the Metaphysically given,a gift of life when you meet with an untimely death.Just as Existence Exists is a metaphysically given fact.]

Ayn is the only one [apart from pro,blank and blank] who has reached the answer to the question what is life.

Murugan, I hope that you and your friends are Ok....what a disaster in the Indian Ocean, 120,000 dead. Seems like we should apply some reason to this problem....such as early warning systems, and to the extent possible.....living on higher ground. Although with a wave moving at 500 mph the warning system needs to act very quickly.

Your comments on reincarnation are interesting to me....I have wondered how folks with a different cultural background would respond to Ayn Rands work. Religion generally dominates our world cultures, and I guess it is natural to respond to new ideas from this framework. In the US, people often say, relative to objectivism....but what about compassion, and what about conscience, what about hope and despair, and our souls after death....seems like in India perhaps one of the questions is ....what about our rebirth?

The way I see it, our consciousness is tied to our body....when we drink wine, the alcohol in our blood goes to our brain, and our consciousness becomes fuzzy, when we cannot breath, and have too little oxygen in our blood, our consciousness 'blacks out', when we don't get enough food, our body feels irritation, and our consciousness becomes distracted, with an irritating feeling that makes it difficult to focus.

In the same way, when our body dies, and our chemicals are dispersed, our consciousness is gone. Even if another body were to be created with the same DNA (clone), it would have different chemicals and a different consciousness and be able to make its own choices (free will, our choices are not hard wired by DNA).

Steve

Hello,
After our death our identity is simply present in our
genes which does not really exist in its entirety but except as random stretches of gene sequences in the human gene pool which is the human population!In the near future we will get designer babies[choosing eye colour etc.] and medical cures from genetics.We come back only after a man and woman mate and the particular gene combination arises which belongs to a particular individual.Concioussness cannot exist without the body and the body cannot be alive without the concioussness.Is John Galt exactly the same person as Howard Roark.But Ayn claims that they are one and the same person - the man of the highest mind -
Because our concioussness remains the same
because our intelligence level remains the same no
matter how many births we take on this earth -
reason the law of IDENTITY!There are many
cases documented by the scientists where a person or a
child has spontaneous memories from his past birth
and these are not fabrications! If the concioussness does
not remain the same for an individual then how does he remember about his past births?A few cases have been fully verified.I will give my own example!
i had never heard of a tsunami before the last months
indian ocean.that the sea water could rush into the
land i had never heard of any such thing! but some ten years ago i had seen the sea water gushing into the land in my dreams[some 3 or 4 times] and the houses getting flooded.so from where did that get into my subconsciousness?the only rational explanation is that it must be the memories from one of my previous births from some previous universe!certainly not from the present universe.And the psychologists say that our dreams refer to
our past and so we should not get worrried by them!
From where did your body[chemicals] and conscioussness come from?From your unique DNA.But what is the only trait which is
unique to yourself in your DNA?Your intelligence level alone and not say,your eye colour.So every time your unique DNA gets expressed you are born again.YOU CANNOT COMPLAIN THAT WHY YOU ARE BEING BROUGHT BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN!Because your genes exist in the human gene pool.
Everything about your body maybe different in your next birth but
your conscioussness is one and the same because it is a direct
expression of your unique intelligence level alone and not the
expression of any other trait of your body!There is nothing more
spectacular or anything divine about your conscioussness!A is A
AND YOU WILL ALWAYS COME BACK!

And please get to know about the blank and blank.You will see the amount of compassion and
love they had for the mankind!

Please visit the Mumbai Ayn Rand Meetup Group [ group no. 21 ] -
http://aynrand.meetup...
You will get the names of Blanks there.