Worldwide Ayn Rand Meetup Message Board › Who is the real life Howard Roark and John Galt?
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Somebody is got to be the man of the highest mind in the entire human race.Is he the real life Roark and Galt?Ayn Rand
takes the name of Prometheus from Greece who lived about ten thousand years ago.We all know about the tremendous creative capacity of Prometheus.[He taught men how to build the first homes, how to extract metals from the ores,a convenient method for making fire,domesticating the wild animals and everything that the first men of our kind had to do for the first time.] But what about the tremendous warrior capacity of Ram and the tremendous capacity of Krishna to enjoy his life?Ayn Rand did not know about Ram and Krishna,did she? Was Ram the Immediate Rebirth of Prometheus? Edited by User 2,189,347 on Jun 14, 2005 8:02 AM |
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Sumit - You are juggling between standards like creative capacity,
warrior capacity,capacity to enjoy one's life,intelligence capacity, real life etc.When you define each one of the above terms you will get the answer for your question. ![]() |
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The man of the highest mind would obviously demonstrate the
highest capacity in any work that he chooses to do in his lifetime whether it is inventions,wars,philosophy or sexual capacity. The scientists have worked out a probability that for your parents to give birth to another child with the same genes as yours they would have to visit the maternity ward for another million billion times.But they also say that no two individual can have the same level of intelligence.Otherwise they would be one and the same person!Your parents can pass you a million to tenth of a million charecteristics[gene combinations] without altering your intelligence level.Thus the maximum number of unique individuals possible in the human race is anywhere between 1 billion to 10 billion. What is interesting is here.When the world population reaches 10 billion we can expect every possible human being to be living at the same time on this earth!The current world population is 6.5 billion and is expected to reach 9.1 billion by 2050. So is Ayn Rand coming back in the next 100 years? It is the legends of Prometheus,Ram and Krishna which look like that of Howard Roark's and John Galt's in the ancient times. To assume that the highest man has done nothing in the last ten thousand years of mankind's existence or that he is yet to be born, would amount to contradicting the philosophy explained in Atlas Shrugged!The man of the highest mind would never leave the world in the hands of his enemies!Ayn Rand would have been proud of Krishna's acts! Edited by User 2,189,347 on Jun 17, 2005 4:30 AM |
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Sagar - The boy says the belief in rebirths of individuals amounts to irrationalism - the endless life cycles and death,you
see!He says that we human beings might be intelligent but it is our own morality,standards and premises which guide us.That nurture vs. nature is still in the 3:2 ratio so we who have humungous number of brain cells [they vary from individual to individual,you see!] with zero conviction[since sagar has so less of them]! we can never be sure as to the type of human being that arises etc.And that where is your John Galt?So it would be sure folly to assume that when 10 billions arise there would be another john galt or ayn rand or ram or krishna or prometheus or david or whatever! But... but the idea is interesting and exciting nonetheless! ![]() Edited by User 2,189,347 on Jun 17, 2005 8:27 AM |
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But what about the first two basic laws of the universe - the first axiom that existence exists,it was always there and will always be there.And the law of identity which states that A is A!
If an Ayn Rand has existed then that is proof of the fact that she will always come back!And that is what is wrong with the moral code of mankind that nurture is against nature.Nurture,the way you raise up a man should be according to his nature and not against it! You ask where is your John Galt?The answer is who is Krishna?![]() |
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Sagar -
And as existence exists non existence does not exist. A is A and Ayn Rand is Ayn Rand.But she is dead now and is gone and so according to Sagar she will never be back! Myself - [And that is my point!Our conscioussness is such a beautiful thing that we always notice or grasp our existence only! We are incapable of noticing our non-existence,the gaps in between our different lifetimes!So as far as my conscioussness is concerned, same for everybody else, I am always there!It is a single continuos and perpetual state of existence which I am aware of and nothing else!] I am born, I am a kid to begin with,I grow up to be old and then I die and then I am born again and the same process goes for ad infinitum! Never ending state of existence that is! Isn't it wonderful?Well, if you don't feel that way[wonderful about it,that is!], then don't blame me!I am not responsible for it! ]But it will change for the better soon. |
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Well,nurture does play a role in the
making of a man!Observe the contrast in the character of Roark and Galt.Yet Ayn claims that they are one and the same person - the man of the highest mind.And observe the contrast in the Ram and Krishna also! If one uses the exact definition of an Individual one can easily prove that reincarnation is true and assuming otherwise leads to conclusions not observed in reality. A person is defined by his unique level of intelligence.That is no other person has exactly the same level of intelligence.Ask the scientists! So if we assume that reincarnation is not true then we arrive at the possibility that Multiciplity [the same person can have different identities and intelligence in his different births.] or infinity [infinite number of individuals with different intelligence level are possible.] is true! In either case what happens is this - We can always have a man with infinite level of intelligence,that is,there is simply no limit to his intelligence!Why?Since existence exists there are infinite births of all living creatures is possible! A man with infinite intelligence has never been observed thus far and it will never happen either! This argument easily shows that when a person with the same intelligence is born again he has been in fact reincarnated! ![]() |
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Sagar-
Of what use is intelligence without the morals to guide it?Thats my point!What is the validity of your questions? So who is your man of highest intelligence? [He is asking this question after I have answered it!] |
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Sumit -
Before any further discussion it would be better if you both agree on the defintion of intelligence and what is the source of it.Whether it is gene-controlled or free will! |
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To qoute Ayn Rand - 'No matter what is the innate degree of
man's intelligence he has to develop his ability to use it or else he merely becomes a transitional creature'. So Intelligence is endowed by nature but man is free to use it or not! |