Our consciousness is also our soul!

Hi Vibhav,
When I am alive I am an indivisible entity of body
and consciousness.When I die,my dead body is still there.
But where did my coscioussness go?

To say that my heart pumps the blood and the blood
circulates through my entire body carrying the nutrients absorbed
from the food that I eat and thus all my body functions are kept
going and this fact also provides my body with consciousness,
Is actually an understatement about our consciousness!

Observe that there are loads of memories locked in our
subconsciousness from our many past births.
But the more profound and important fact is that my consciousness is exactly one and the same in any of mine past,
present and future births though my body is different.


Genetic combinations yields only about 10 raised to 80
different bodies for human beings.So after so many births have
taken place you will find people with the same bodies!
Since the first time that the soul of man was made if we
assume that some 10 raised to 1000 births have taken place so far,then how many times have I been born with the exactly the
same body[all genes being identical]?
10 raised to 1000 divided by 10 raised to 80 and further
divided by 10 billion[since I am one out of 10 billions possible],
gives 10 raised to 910 times!

But since my consciousness is always one and the same,
what is the only conclusion to be drawn from it?
That my consciousness is also my soul which is permanent in its existence.So when my body dies my consciousness
does not vanish into thin air.It simply leaves my body and is on its
way to assume to another body!

But these are metaphysically given things.
Beyond a certain point something like our souls existence is to
be accepted as an axiom because it exists and for no other reason!
You cannot use reason to explain the metaphysically given things.
Ask Ayn Rand if not Krishna!
Why reason cannot be used here?
Because our reasoning comes after the Metaphysically Given things and not before it!

Reason will tell you that since matter and energy exists,
there must have been a point of time when creation took place!
Otherwise from where did it come?
But this leads to an absurd conclusion.Since there was nothing
before creation, something was actually created from nothing!
Who created it and how?
So has reasoning failed? No!
You are applying reason to the metaphysically given things where reason is not applicable!

Things like existence exists,existence of our soul or consciousness,our immediate rebirths,speed of light being a universal constant,gravity which exists as an attribute or property of matter[you give me matter and there will be gravity,you cannot
separate the two!] are the metaphysically given things by nature
and reality.

In simple language, the metaphysically given things is the Starting point for Everything including our reason!So how
could you possibly use reason to explain these things?

Well this is my last reply to this argument cause i dont think discussing it further serves any purpose.

What you call conscious is sum of the primary senses i.e eye, nose ,ear etc combined with the brain part which has the ability to use these senses to build up the knowledge base by the way of linking of neurons inside our brain. The brain gets divided into the conscious and unconscious part simply because of the prejudices given to us by the society which inhibits our thinking in a particular
direction and slowly we stop using these neuron links to reach the
conclusions or retract something which was stored earlier. It is however a reversible process upto a certain extent.

The statement you refer so repeatedly that reasoning comes after the Metaphysically Given things how does it comes into your mind, is it a part of the soul which keeps changing the bodies or is it just a product of prejudiced power hungry mind who just wants to prove that he has a supreme soul and rest are just ordinary mortals.

Can the statement that reasoning comes after the Metaphysically Given things can be said or thought of even by a power hungry prejudiced mind without power of analysis.

How the So called metaphysically things like matter and energy exist are proven by quantum theory, theory of relativity, gravity and so on, i will refer you to read " brief history of time " by Stpehen Hawkings.

Hi Vibhav,
When I am alive I am an indivisible entity of body
and consciousness.When I die,my dead body is still there.
But where did my coscioussness go?

To say that my heart pumps the blood and the blood
circulates through my entire body carrying the nutrients absorbed
from the food that I eat and thus all my body functions are kept
going and this fact also provides my body with consciousness,
Is actually an understatement about our consciousness!

Observe that there are loads of memories locked in our
subconsciousness from our many past births.
But the more profound and important fact is that my consciousness is exactly one and the same in any of mine past,
present and future births though my body is different.


Genetic combinations yields only about 10 raised to 80
different bodies for human beings.So after so many births have
taken place you will find people with the same bodies!
Since the first time that the soul of man was made if we
assume that some 10 raised to 1000 births have taken place so far,then how many times have I been born with the exactly the
same body[all genes being identical]?
10 raised to 1000 divided by 10 raised to 80 and further
divided by 10 billion[since I am one out of 10 billions possible],
gives 10 raised to 910 times!

But since my consciousness is always one and the same,
what is the only conclusion to be drawn from it?
That my consciousness is also my soul which is permanent in its existence.So when my body dies my consciousness
does not vanish into thin air.It simply leaves my body and is on its
way to assume to another body!

But these are metaphysically given things.
Beyond a certain point something like our souls existence is to
be accepted as an axiom because it exists and for no other reason!
You cannot use reason to explain the metaphysically given things.
Ask Ayn Rand if not Krishna!
Why reason cannot be used here?
Because our reasoning comes after the Metaphysically Given things and not before it!

Reason will tell you that since matter and energy exists,
there must have been a point of time when creation took place!
Otherwise from where did it come?
But this leads to an absurd conclusion.Since there was nothing
before creation, something was actually created from nothing!
Who created it and how?
So has reasoning failed? No!
You are applying reason to the metaphysically given things where reason is not applicable!

Things like existence exists,existence of our soul or consciousness,our immediate rebirths,speed of light being a universal constant,gravity which exists as an attribute or property of matter[you give me matter and there will be gravity,you cannot
separate the two!] are the metaphysically given things by nature
and reality.

In simple language, the metaphysically given things is the Starting point for Everything including our reason!So how
could you possibly use reason to explain these things?

Well this is my last reply to this argument cause i dont think discussing it further serves any purpose.

What you call conscious is sum of the primary senses i.e eye, nose ,ear etc combined with the brain part which has the ability to use these senses to build up the knowledge base by the way of linking of neurons inside our brain. The brain gets divided into the conscious and unconscious part simply because of the prejudices given to us by the society which inhibits our thinking in a particular
direction and slowly we stop using these neuron links to reach the
conclusions or retract something which was stored earlier. It is however a reversible process upto a certain extent.

The statement you refer so repeatedly that reasoning comes after the Metaphysically Given things how does it comes into your mind, is it a part of the soul which keeps changing the bodies or is it just a product of prejudiced power hungry mind who just wants to prove that he has a supreme soul and rest are just ordinary mortals.

Can the statement that reasoning comes after the Metaphysically Given things can be said or thought of even by a power hungry prejudiced mind without power of analysis.

How the So called metaphysically things like matter and energy exist are proven by quantum theory, theory of relativity, gravity and so on, i will refer you to read " brief history of time " by Stpehen Hawkings.

Hi Vibhav,
When I am alive I am an indivisible entity of body
and consciousness.When I die,my dead body is still there.
But where did my coscioussness go?

To say that my heart pumps the blood and the blood
circulates through my entire body carrying the nutrients absorbed
from the food that I eat and thus all my body functions are kept
going and this fact also provides my body with consciousness,
Is actually an understatement about our consciousness!

Observe that there are loads of memories locked in our
subconsciousness from our many past births.
But the more profound and important fact is that my consciousness is exactly one and the same in any of mine past,
present and future births though my body is different.


Genetic combinations yields only about 10 raised to 80
different bodies for human beings.So after so many births have
taken place you will find people with the same bodies!
Since the first time that the soul of man was made if we
assume that some 10 raised to 1000 births have taken place so far,then how many times have I been born with the exactly the
same body[all genes being identical]?
10 raised to 1000 divided by 10 raised to 80 and further
divided by 10 billion[since I am one out of 10 billions possible],
gives 10 raised to 910 times!

But since my consciousness is always one and the same,
what is the only conclusion to be drawn from it?
That my consciousness is also my soul which is permanent in its existence.So when my body dies my consciousness
does not vanish into thin air.It simply leaves my body and is on its
way to assume to another body!

But these are metaphysically given things.
Beyond a certain point something like our souls existence is to
be accepted as an axiom because it exists and for no other reason!
You cannot use reason to explain the metaphysically given things.
Ask Ayn Rand if not Krishna!
Why reason cannot be used here?
Because our reasoning comes after the Metaphysically Given things and not before it!

Reason will tell you that since matter and energy exists,
there must have been a point of time when creation took place!
Otherwise from where did it come?
But this leads to an absurd conclusion.Since there was nothing
before creation, something was actually created from nothing!
Who created it and how?
So has reasoning failed? No!
You are applying reason to the metaphysically given things where reason is not applicable!

Things like existence exists,existence of our soul or consciousness,our immediate rebirths,speed of light being a universal constant,gravity which exists as an attribute or property of matter[you give me matter and there will be gravity,you cannot
separate the two!] are the metaphysically given things by nature
and reality.

In simple language, the metaphysically given things is the Starting point for Everything including our reason!So how
could you possibly use reason to explain these things?

Hello Vibhav,
I knew that you would be
frightened by the metaphysically given things.So the moment I speak of them,
you say you will not come back here!

But the complete knowledge can remove
even fear!So here it goes.Observe that
everything I say here has been said earlier,
some facts have been said as earlier as
10,000 years ago!

Long,long,long,long................,long ago,
nature succeded in creating consciousness-
the highest super complex element.
Given the basic elements of the universe
the consciuosness happens to be the most
complex entity arrived at,that is,it is not
within the capacity of nature to produce a
more complex element!

But nature produced not one consciousness[soul], but many and many.
On this planet earth,these souls started
assuming bodies - The process of evolution
as we know it.
Some souls evolved into single celled
bacteria,others became plants and fishes,animals
and the last set of souls evolved into us human beings.The bacteria is less complex than plants which is less complex than animals which is less complex than Man!
So this shows that each set of souls has its
own complexity level.And this is true even
within a single species.In fact each individual
of all the living beings has a unique soul!



My genes can be another persons genes
in our next birth- depending upon the genes
which we inherit from our biological parents
[I would like to talk later why there is actually a difference between biological
parents and actual parenting! ]

But my brain content or intelligence is
always mine.There occurs no transfer of any
kind there!

So my intelligence actually comes from my
unique soul and not from my genes!

So each consciousness has a unique level
of intelligence associated with it.

The highest consciousness in this universe belongs to the highest Man - The Man of the highest mind.

When the Big bang occurs,sun-planet
combination occurs, our souls begin to assume their bodies.

Now the process of evolution can be
explained clearly.At first our bodies would be very undeveloped,brain size very small
etc.Then as we work,acquire skills for our
survival like hunting for food and finally
discover agriculture and start building homes,all along our body keeps improving
in its appearance,brain size keeps increasing
and finally we appear as we modern men appeared for the first time 10,000 or 12,000
years ago in the present universe - The
final end product called Man - The most
superior creature in the universe with
regards to intelligence!

There is one more added feature to our
consciousness.It is capable of storing
memories from our many lifetimes [from many,many past universes], which we recall
as dreams in our future births - The act of
deleting these stored memories.

Since our consciousness or soul came into existence first and only later did it assume bodies, It also leaves our body
when we die and goes on to assume
another body and thus we are born again
and again on this earth!

Observe that Man will always be born as
a Man because the complexity level[intelligence?] of his soul belongs to that of Man!

First of all you start running when i mention the word reason saying that it is impossible to argue with reason. An arguement can be given to some one who has an open mind and willing to atleast take part in some constructive discussion. You are hell bent on proving something for which there is no scientific proof whereas i have always tried to provide scientific reasons.

It was very heartening to see also that someone is claiming to have the complete knowledge, i know the next thing you will be telling us that yo are another avtar of Krishna and the highest soul there ever was.

I dont claim to have the complete knowledge but i can offer what has been proved scientifically and if you read the "Brief History of time" it will be a real eye opener if you really have an open mind,if you just want to remain a frog who keeps lying in a well thinking that the well is the universe and he knows everything about the well, very well its your choice.

Hello Vibhav,
I knew that you would be
frightened by the metaphysically given things.So the moment I speak of them,
you say you will not come back here!

But the complete knowledge can remove
even fear!So here it goes.Observe that
everything I say here has been said earlier,
some facts have been said as earlier as
10,000 years ago!

Long,long,long,long................,long ago,
nature succeded in creating consciousness-
the highest super complex element.
Given the basic elements of the universe
the consciuosness happens to be the most
complex entity arrived at,that is,it is not
within the capacity of nature to produce a
more complex element!

But nature produced not one consciousness[soul], but many and many.
On this planet earth,these souls started
assuming bodies - The process of evolution
as we know it.
Some souls evolved into single celled
bacteria,others became plants and fishes,animals
and the last set of souls evolved into us human beings.The bacteria is less complex than plants which is less complex than animals which is less complex than Man!
So this shows that each set of souls has its
own complexity level.And this is true even
within a single species.In fact each individual
of all the living beings has a unique soul!



My genes can be another persons genes
in our next birth- depending upon the genes
which we inherit from our biological parents
[I would like to talk later why there is actually a difference between biological
parents and actual parenting! ]

But my brain content or intelligence is
always mine.There occurs no transfer of any
kind there!

So my intelligence actually comes from my
unique soul and not from my genes!

So each consciousness has a unique level
of intelligence associated with it.

The highest consciousness in this universe belongs to the highest Man - The Man of the highest mind.

When the Big bang occurs,sun-planet
combination occurs, our souls begin to assume their bodies.

Now the process of evolution can be
explained clearly.At first our bodies would be very undeveloped,brain size very small
etc.Then as we work,acquire skills for our
survival like hunting for food and finally
discover agriculture and start building homes,all along our body keeps improving
in its appearance,brain size keeps increasing
and finally we appear as we modern men appeared for the first time 10,000 or 12,000
years ago in the present universe - The
final end product called Man - The most
superior creature in the universe with
regards to intelligence!

There is one more added feature to our
consciousness.It is capable of storing
memories from our many lifetimes [from many,many past universes], which we recall
as dreams in our future births - The act of
deleting these stored memories.

Since our consciousness or soul came into existence first and only later did it assume bodies, It also leaves our body
when we die and goes on to assume
another body and thus we are born again
and again on this earth!

Observe that Man will always be born as
a Man because the complexity level[intelligence?] of his soul belongs to that of Man!

Hi Vibhav,
Thanks for coming back!
Ok, the scientist Stephan Hawking, I don't think he knows
about the metaphysically given things!
Your quantum mechanics or whatever is Physics.
And the Metaphysical is something which comes before physics!
Please Read Ayn Rand for what is the Metaphysical.


Existence Exists is the first Axiom of the Universe!
That is the starting point for everything.Quantum mechanics
can never explain why existence exists.

And things like Existence Exists, the existence of our soul in
relation to the observed facts of reality like Immediate rebirth
of a person have been around for the last ten thousand years.
May I ask you why are you so passionately rejecting
observed facts of reality? Is it because of some prejudice which
you have? And the highest man is the noble soul par excellence!
Ask Ayn Rand. Why are saying that the highest man is power hungry? Have you read the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged?

Observe how conclusively and completely I have proved that our consciousness came first and that it is permanent in its existence?So why are you rejecting Reason now?

The things that I am saying about our soul is something
which no less than 98% of the people of this earth know to be true!The rest of the 2% geniuses take their time to understand
such concepts because before your mind becomes calm and light
it is in the nature of your consciousness or mind to have some
difficulty in accepting what is the metaphysically given!

So unless you are suggesting that you are a very high level
genius and you have not yet grasped the law in your mind,
you are just kidding me?

WHAT DO YOU THINK AYN RAND WAS TRYING TO
EXPLAIN IN THE THOUSAND PAGES OF ATLAS SHRUGGED?

THERE IS A PARTICULAR LAW ABOUT OUR HUMAN EXISTENCE
WHICH THE LESSER SOULS [READ THE NON-GENIUSES] GRASP
MUCH EARLIER THAN THE GENIUSES AND THUS THEY HOLD THE GENIUSES TO RANSOM BY VIRTUE OF THEIR INNOCENCE!

So Ayn Rand says, You withdraw your virtue,get out of their
world and make them bow down to the facts of reality!Since their
only link to reality is your mind,since they start with a premise
that reality does not exist, only relationship with people exists,
You withdraw your mind and you can see how helpless they
become when they have to face reality without an intermediary
like you and that their relationships doesn't help either!

The non geniuses know that Existence exists,it is an eternal
fact,there is no hurry about anything on this earth! You make
relationships first with other people because unless the prevailing
Moral code supports your existence, your geniusness, wonderful
creativity will be of no use.Because those in power armed with the wrong moral code will not permit
you to do anything with your wonderful mind etc.

Vibhav, I ask you for one more time? Why do you reject Ayn
Rand, observed facts of reality and thus reason.
You say that I don't have a open mind.
But you seem to be closed to the facts of reality!
So what do you mean by scientific analysis?
Just because the majority of people are keeping quiet because
thier elders will not permit them to speak openly about Ayn Rand
and Ram and Krishna, they are waiting for the time when they will
not be punished for speaking about such things, are you using that
as a weapon against me?

Just wait for 50 years!And then I would like to see if you dare to disagree with the majority with regards to what is right and what is wrong and what is true and what is not true!

Fifty years is too small an interval of time when compared to
the next 5 billion years which we have on this earth!

Hello Everybody,
It loks as if Vibhav has stopped kidding!
I will define here exactly what is meant by consciousness.
To begin with there was just matter and energy in the universe and the possible combinations between them produced more and more complex elements like say stars.
And there was nothing more to say about them.Observe that the next level of complexity arises only when the matter acquires
consciousness.But what is this consciousness as opposed to the matter which is less complex and does not possess any consciousness?

THIS MATTER WITH CONSCIOUSNESS IS AWARE OR CONSCIOUS OF ITS SURROUNDINGS - THE BIRTH OF THE SOULS OF LIVING BEINGS!

But our souls which have this awareness as an attribute or property associated with them cannot do anything in their surroundings!
Only when they assume the bodies of say bacteris,fishes,animals ,plants and finally man that they are capable of doing something in their
surroundings!

Like we human beings built apartment houses and produced electricity and lighted our homes and live happily in it!