Our consciousness is also our soul! - Ayn Rand Meetups

A former member	Posted Sep 6, 2005 9:25 PM Link to this reply
Post #: 110	One more attribute of our souls - They forever reside on this earth once they were made for the first time on this earth! Observe that some 4 billion years ago a huge chunk of matter separated from the sun,and all the 9 planets including oue earth were formed.In another 5 billion years, the sun will expand in its dying moments and engulf all the planets and earth.Then after sometime the whole universe will collapse back to the singular point and then the Big bang occurs.This explosion gives the energy for the stars and sun formation again. And then again the earth separates from the sun[the violent happenings in the sun throws some matter away] and when it reaches the optimum distance [favourable for life to emerge] from the sun and starts revolving around the sun [due to Gravity!], our souls start assuming their bodies and the process of evolution as we know begins again! The point is this - It is not that by chance our souls may land on Jupiter or get lost in some inter-galactic space by leaving this earth.Since this sun-earth combination may occur in only one place in the universe[I don't see the point why it should happen in two or more different places], it would also be metaphysically given that our souls remain embedded in this earth for forever, Because this is their only birthplace and hometown! Our souls are Indestructible and they never leave this earth!
A former member	Posted Sep 6, 2005 9:33 PM Link to this reply
Post #: 111	Vibhav, You said that I am a frog in a well! But observe how large my well is!The well begins from a singular point in a violent explosion,and then expands and then stops and then contracts again to the singular point and the whole process is repeated for ad infinitum! MY WELL ACTUALLY CONTAINS THE WHOLE UNIVERSE!
A former member	Posted Sep 8, 2005 12:32 AM Link to this reply
Post #: 113	Well, it seems some scientists using quantum mechanics are trying to show that there are some uncertainities in gravity, like to begin with there may be no gravity or the gravitational constant may vary or whatever else! But the point is this - Something which is metaphysically given is the Given by nature and reality and is the starting point for everything else. If you use sciences like quantum to explain why gravity exists then you are bound to arrive at contradictory or foolish conclusions. The attempt to explain why gravity exists is actually the desire expressed to play the creator!Like if there are some scientists who are not satisfied with reality as it exists, then they want to MODIFY OR CHANGE REALITY AND ITS LAWS TO SUIT THEIR PERSONAL WISHES AND WHIMS! Well whatever be the wishes, lets get one thing straight.The metaphysically given cannot be altered.And such a wish is irrational. Edited by User 2,229,151 on Sep 9, 2005 7:00 AM
A former member	Posted Sep 15, 2005 8:16 AM Link to this reply
Post #: 4	Though there is one thing that I do appreciate in religions! They knew long ago that our souls exist! It took me the last 11 months of hard thinking and blogging it here to arrive at the explanation for immediate rebirths and finally that our consciousness is also our soul and that it was made first by nature and only later did it start assuming bodies as we possess today. And that we keep assuming new bodies in every birth of ours but our consciousness which is one and the same is permanent in its existence - Something which the Religious guys[like Christianity,they call it our soul] have known always and we ought to appreciate them for that... Edited by User 2,333,616 on Sep 21, 2005 9:13 PM
A former member	Posted Sep 21, 2005 9:15 PM Link to this reply
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A former member	Posted Sep 26, 2005 7:18 AM Link to this reply
Post #: 15	And to put things in a very simple language - Since I exist today, I must have existed in the past and will continue to exist for forever in the future! The ever present or eternally present link between my past,present and future is my Consciousness!
A former member	Posted Sep 27, 2005 7:44 AM Link to this reply
Post #: 1	And whether in normal reproduction or any kind of assisted fertilisation outside the body and cloning, The entry point for our consciousness in our body is when the embryo is inside the women's womb. See that our consciousness is the most complex entity in the universe and there cannot exist two copies of my soul.[So since life exists on this earth, there cannot be any kind of life in any other part of the universe.Because if it does, then two copies of my soul would exist!] So even my clone will not be the same person as me though all our genes will be identical.Because the consciousness present in my clone,twin brothers or sisters will be different! I have said in the last post of the 1st page that the combinations of elements produces more and more complex elements.What causes this elemnts to combine is the various physical and chemical reactions. And they happen because of the 4 fundamental forces present in matter and energy which is given metaphysically by nature which is the gravitational,electrostatic,electromagnetic[the light rays] and the magnetic forces! Edited by User 2,350,514 on Dec 23, 2005 4:48 AM
A former member	Posted Sep 28, 2005 12:23 AM Link to this reply
Post #: 2	Hello, I have this one more discussion group. http://www.wethethink... Check the Forums there. But they are saying things like Existence does not exist! And there is a picture of Buddha beside that article. And they are saying that our consciousness does not exist.We are here today but this is our last time.Our life is merely a process and it will pass out and I and you will never live on this earth again! Well, for whatever be the reason, they seem to be pretty tired of this present lifetime and so are trying to wish away a fact of reality that they do exist. Elders and teachers, Why have you done this to your kids? That they wish to escape existence? Edited by User 2,350,514 on Sep 29, 2005 12:34 AM
A former member	Posted Sep 28, 2005 11:58 PM Link to this reply
Post #: 3	Hello Everybody, One final or last property of our consciousness - It is Ageless and Changeless.It is permanent in its existence once it was made for the first time. During our 100 years we see different states of our mind and the changes that take place in our body.But the consciousness which we possess at the age of one is the same as we possess it at the age of hundred or even when it leaves our body. If we hold on to a single Ideal or Idea in our lifetime [provided that Ideal is right and not wrong.], we may actually appear as ageless.In The Fountainhead, Ayn Rand wrote that the people who saw Howard Roark noticed that he always looked the same and didn't seem to age at all.And it has been written about Krishna that throughout his lifetime, he looked as if he was 20 to 25 years old only. Edited by User 2,350,514 on Sep 29, 2005 12:05 AM
A former member	Posted Oct 2, 2005 6:21 AM Link to this reply
Post #: 4	And the logic behind the growth of human population is this - The world population will go on increasing unitl every soul is living with a body.Beyond that obviously the population will not increase even by one more person because no further consciousness will be present without a body.It would be the state of existence where upon the death of a person, he or she will be back as a little baby within the next 9 months time! A state of existence where death has been conquered as the religious people predicted that it would be achieved one day and there will be eternal life for everybody!For the next 5 billion years that is.Compared to our past history of just 12,000 years, our true civilization is just going to begin!