Message to OL members:

Message to OL members:


In the past few days I have been posting my thoughts regarding the matter of my problems--namely the matter of anger, compulsive behavior (in terms of posting) and plagiarisms. I have been incredibly generous of spirit by laying my cards on the table---by admitting my wrong doings and taking action to right the wrongs of my actions. I am truly remorseful for my actions.

But protestations of regret are not enough.

I have sent an email to MSK (site owner of Objectivist Living) offering my assistance to weed out the plagiarized passages---and I have received no word. I wish to state--here and now and on record, so to speak---that this offer still stands. There is only so much I can do in "taking action"---if the people involved don't meet me half way.

I would ask of MSK to put the breaks on his own suicidal behavior when he continues--as in a fit of rage--to wall paper his own site with the taint of scandal whereby all serious conversations pertaining to intellectual matters are diverted and newcomers are turned-off and turn away.

There is no further point in "uncovering" new examples of tainted posts with gleefulness as it is superfluous---not to mention ridiculous when the guilty in question is more than willing to cooperate himself.

Finally, I would ask OL members to practice restraint when speaking of my personal life where it involves a certain person, who is also a member of OL. Try to understand that in attempting to lash out at me---even in the most intimate area of my life---you may be hurting that other person. This person is already very hurt and is suffering and I am taking every effort to lessen that. Don't hurt her! So I don't need others sticking the knife in, hitting bone and then turning the knife. Nobody needs this Objectivst and none-Objectivist zeal.

-Victor

'Remember your humanity--and forget the rest'

Bertrand Russell.

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I am in contact with George H. Smith (who has extended the offer at OL to discuss matters in private) and I am more than honored to interact with a man who has, it is becoming clear, an incredibile abundance of compassion as well as brains. He has offered to help me, because I am willing to help myself. I have taken responsibility.

Message for MSK:

I apologize for misspelling your name, Michael. Yes, I made a typeo and I hardly see the point in pointing that out as being anything of significance.

I also want you to know that I am dead serious and very sincere in my wish to clean up the mess I caused at OL. I acknowledge that protestations of atonement don't necessarily mount to a hill of beans if not followed up in action.

Let me help, please.

I want to take action.

Tell me, what have you got to lose if you take me up on my offer to weed out tainted posts? If I don't follow up, then fine. I am full of crap. But I will help.

Really, why don't you think about that?

I am asking you: Will you work with me?

Victor

Kat of OL wrote:

"I also send my support to Angie and I know (and believe that most on OL realize) that what happened with the plagiary issue had nothing to do with her. If she has been caught in the crossfire, I am truly sorry."

Thank you, Kat. Very nice and I do appreciate you saying this. Angie was hurt...in the cross fire.

-Victor

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Victor writes: "I have sent an email [ . . . ] offering my assistance to weed out the plagiarized passages [ . . . ] There is only so much I can do in "taking action"---if the people involved don't meet me half way.

Hi Victor,

Halfway to where? MSK is in the right, and you are in the wrong with regard to plagiarism.** Why don't you follow your own earlier avowal that it was time to take a break from online forums? It might be the best thing to to.

I mean, whether or not you have an addiction, or suffer from compulsions you can't control, maybe we should follow the rules of de-addiction and de-compulsion.

This means if you are a drunk, stop hanging around in bars for a while, as you sober up. If you suffer from a compulsion to post online so strong that you borrow other's words to fill in the volume, then the first step is to unplug the modem and go do something therapeutic.

It sounds like Angie is having second thoughts about building a life together with you. I should think that is more important than doing a half-assed job of identifying your mistakes. If she is ashamed of you, and doesn't know if you have a chance of regaining her respect, that has nothing to do with what you do here.

Maybe you need to make a break with a contributing behaviour to your addiction/compulsion, and address the most important person in your life. Take her counsel, take her advice, take her hand if she offers it. No one else except a couple of your old cronies is interested at the moment.

Michael is on frigging vacation, and you are not as important as you think you are -- to other people, as a person. As a problem, yeah, you are BIG, but MSK has his own rules. Since you insult him, he likely will never communicate with you again.

In other news, there is treatment for OCD, Victor. If OCD you suffer from, there are now a few pharmaceutical treatments that take advantage of little-understood side-effects of anti-depressants.

I am serious. If you are sick, see a doctor. If you are sick with an easily-rectified problem, see a doctor. Get your doctor to read up on OCD. Take a chance. You might find yourself, within six weeks, not only without depression, but without needless crankiness, and most importantly, without the need to poke at the keyboard and go on the internet 11 hours a day.

It is hard to post a whole lot of stuff without borrowing. Of course, the ethical merely mark their borrowings as borrowings, with a quick citation -- borrowing itself is not the problem. Borrowing without attribution is the problem.

So, there you go. Some advice offered in good faith from an adversary in discussions past.

I have posted of my disdain for schadenfreude with regard to Angie. I say fuck that (and I say to you, YOU keep Angie out of it. She has fuck all to do with your fuck-ups past and present). With regard to schadenfreude felt at your present situation, these are human beings, Victor. Holy jeesuz, what else would we feel? You have been lugging around a whole lot of bananas that don't belong to you, and pretending that you haven't 'borrowed' them. When you slip on one of the bananas that falls from your greedy clutches, and fall on your monkey ass, we other monkeys will tend to shriek with glee. It's the first glimmerings of justice, and if the Germans call it schadenfreude, then shaden frigging freude.***

Having said that, again, I wish you well. I wish Angie well. I suggest the course of action that will bring you peace of mind quickly is to get professional counselling from someone who deals with internet compulsions and addictions. There are four in the TO phone book. I looked 'em up.

Go for it. Or not.

If not, I will be here to help you. I will waive my usual fee of 350 bucks an hour.


WSS

** MSK may be wrong about a whole lot of things re: El Victor, Plageristo, but the only issue is whether you have broken trust with him, if you have stepped outside his circle. If you have broken trust, it is up to him to decide when, where, and if it can be redrawn. And he is on frigging vacation. If he needs help from you in discovering and annotation which of your 17,000 posts to his forum is not riddled with plagiarised pieces, he will tell you. Until that time, you are dismissed as a nutcase.

Unless you want to provide free entertainment while you work out things with your demons, maybe, just maybe, you should shut the fuck up for while and go deal with things. Go to Kensington Market, peddle your art, come back with 5,000 dollars, go to an addiction centre, get healed, come out, let us know.

*** I have posted a rather nasty run-on sentence to the OL list, should you wish to explore the depths of my invective. I suggest you do not do that unless you want to feel like shit. As it is, I think you already feel like shit. And you don't like it much. That is the price you pay for being shitty: you will eventually feel like shit about yourself -- if you are lucky and have the full human complement of emotions.

Will, it has been long over-due, but go fuck your mother.

Yikes. This from the person who in http://aynrand.meetup... told ME that /I/ was being vicious.

Then again, you ARE a troll... and as such of so little significance that if you were to die today nobody in the entire world would truly miss you. So why don't you go play with matches and then DIAF.

Troll, second-hander, selfless...bla, bla, bla. Heard all of the Objectivist belittle talk hurled at me (and others) from one person to another, here and there and everywhere--- that it no longer has an effect on me. It is all very boring whereas before it would hurt.

Anyway, I have a history with Will that you don't know of. What I say is not "with out context"---just to give you a little Objectivist duck-speak. But I have no history with you. You don't know me. How odd is it that you should "know" so much about me to speculate who would miss me or not--or that I would not be missed at all should I DIE. Look at what you are saying! If I should DIE ----nobody would miss me. (!!) You don't know me. And yet you speak of my death and a life withiout love. Of course you are vicious.

Finally, in the link that you provide above, I did say "I could be wrong" in regard to my saying then you are vicious. Oh, but you simply KNOW that I would not be missed should I die. Of course you hurled that out as a hurtful remark. Yes, vicious. Now I know it.